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builder Four Star Member

Number of posts: 255 Registration date: 2009-04-21
 | Subject: What is wrong with the American army? Wed Oct 20, 2010 10:57 am | |
| Women in the u.s troops sent to Iraq have been raped. Raped by male officers on their side! wtf is wrong with the u.s? Take a look at this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFXQ0lOcLVw They can't even protect the women in their own army. Forget about the civilians and lives in Iraq.  Are you concerned about women you know that have been or still in Iraq? 1 in 3 women get are sexually abused. Sigh. The u.s is all messed up.
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builder Four Star Member

Number of posts: 255 Registration date: 2009-04-21
 | Subject: Re: What is wrong with the American army? Wed Oct 20, 2010 11:03 am | |
| There are some things I like about the U.S. But the government and the war is so wrong. I feel bad for the women that join the u.s army. Just a sexual object to the male and senior male officers. |
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builder Four Star Member

Number of posts: 255 Registration date: 2009-04-21
 | Subject: Re: What is wrong with the American army? Wed Oct 20, 2010 11:08 am | |
|  Damm those rapists! |
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LC Five Star Member


Number of posts: 4211 Registration date: 2009-03-28
 | Subject: Re: What is wrong with the American army? Wed Oct 20, 2010 12:28 pm | |
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builder Four Star Member

Number of posts: 255 Registration date: 2009-04-21
 | Subject: Re: What is wrong with the American army? Wed Oct 20, 2010 1:16 pm | |
| I see what you mean. The film or documentary is to make people aware of what is happening. So no story, no movie. Also, it isn't that 1 in 3 women in the u.s army is abused sexually. But 1 in 3 women in the army is raped. Don't know if you or I believe the numbers. Also that Asian women, what was she doing going to Iraq anyway. Go defend Korea. If her story is true, then she has got more courage than most people. She has been raising awareness of war rape among the American troops. Well you know how it is. The real news never gets much exposure. The government and army will just want to cover it up. But yes, we do need to question it. Could more and more women come forward? |
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LC Five Star Member


Number of posts: 4211 Registration date: 2009-03-28
 | Subject: Re: What is wrong with the American army? Wed Oct 20, 2010 1:25 pm | |
| | Quote: | | So no story, no movie. |
Since when did movies need a true story? They'll make stories up out of whole cloth to suit an agenda. For instance, the Erin Brockovich story has been questioned by authorities in that field.
As for why the Asian woman went to Iraq instead of Korea, I presume it's because she's an American citizen who enlisted and was sent there. ?? |
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builder Four Star Member

Number of posts: 255 Registration date: 2009-04-21
 | Subject: Re: What is wrong with the American army? Wed Oct 20, 2010 1:42 pm | |
| Yes, movies do not need a true story. But there are women coming forward about rape that is happening among troops. I am going to keep my attention on this war rape situation in Iraq, to learn more about it. Yes I know she is a citizen of America and chose to join the forces. But she is not from America. She also says (either in that video or another interview she has done) that she wanted to do something and be part of history or good causes, something like that. Well the u.s army are the invaders. Be proud? How do you be proud by killing? If I ever meet someone from the army over here. I am going to stare them in the eye with a straight face and ask. "You ever kill anybody?" Sigh. That Asian woman looks pretty too, I don't blame the officers being attracted to her.  But women like her that join the u.s army have put them in a vulnerable position for rape. |
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Shelagh Admin


Number of posts: 9705 Registration date: 2008-01-11 Location: UK
 | Subject: Re: What is wrong with the American army? Wed Oct 20, 2010 1:54 pm | |
| I googled and the first two websites were Pakistani newspapers claiming that 25% of females in the military were raped by fellow officers -- so no surprise there! I did a search on the NYT website and found this: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/28/us/28women.html?pagewanted=all _________________ Shelagh Watkins http://shelaghwatkins.co.uk/
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dkchristi Five Star Member


Number of posts: 4124 Registration date: 2008-12-30 Location: Florida
 | Subject: Re: What is wrong with the American army? Wed Oct 20, 2010 1:56 pm | |
| Women historically face abuse in a male dominated environment. So long as males accept it among themselves, it will continue. Somehow men are able to separate the object of their power from their own relationship with mothers and sisters. What a man says and how he behaves are two different things. Some men who say the most against harm to women are among those who perpetrate crimes against women they are able to dehumanize in their minds. "Those women" are acceptable targets while others need protection. "Those women" could be whatever class of women or certain women their mind conjures up as their target.
Statistics vary because reporting is impeded by the fear of reprisal for reporting.
Military service holds out carrots of paid college education and training for future employment that brings many people into the fold, men and women, for those benefits. Re-up bonus payments are also exceptional. Survivors have an early retirement that gives them a sound financial basis to start second careers. In poor economic times, miliary service is a paying option to poverty. Additionally, the service mission is a carrot to those who are full of patriotic zeal. They are not going to war; they are serving their country. How can you fault that? They choose to follow the dictates of their country and serve its needs. |
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builder Four Star Member

Number of posts: 255 Registration date: 2009-04-21
 | Subject: Re: What is wrong with the American army? Wed Oct 20, 2010 2:03 pm | |
| Thanks for that Shelagh. It's all human behaviour. The women seem to be abused mostly by officers of a higher rank. Women need to be vulnerable to be attractive to men. But Dkchristi, you say they are not going to war? Yes, they are serving their country. But they are still going to war. |
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alj Five Star Member


Number of posts: 5653 Registration date: 2008-12-05 Age: 68 Location: San Antonio
 | Subject: Re: What is wrong with the American army? Wed Oct 20, 2010 2:12 pm | |
| Your focus on the US and the American army seems misplaced, builder:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2006/may/26/gender.military
Maybe we need to take a deeper look into who and what is messed up here. Rape and harassment are unconscionable under any circumstances, but it is not a problem limited to the American military.
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builder Four Star Member

Number of posts: 255 Registration date: 2009-04-21
 | Subject: Re: What is wrong with the American army? Wed Oct 20, 2010 2:19 pm | |
| Yes, maybe it isn't just the u.s army. Yes, it could have happened before. But we are talking about the war in Iraq. We are talking about the u.s, the country famous for being number 1. You seem like you are trying to save face. Whatever it is, the news is Iraq, it is what is happening today and who is at war. Why do I focus on the u.s army. Well, they are invaders. I don't see Korea, China, Singapore or France in this war. 
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alj Five Star Member


Number of posts: 5653 Registration date: 2008-12-05 Age: 68 Location: San Antonio
 | Subject: Re: What is wrong with the American army? Wed Oct 20, 2010 2:21 pm | |
| | builder wrote: | Yes, maybe it isn't just the u.s army. Yes, it could have happend before. But we are talking about the war in Iraq. We are talking about the u.s, the country famous for being number 1. You seem like you are trying to save face. Whatever it is, the news is Iraq, it is what is happening today and who is at war. Why do I focus on the u.s army. Well, they are invaders. I don't see Korea, China, Singapore or France in this war.  |
So, are we talking about "this war"? I thought we were talking about the mistreatment of women. I don't think the US has a monopoly there.
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Abe F. March Five Star Member


Number of posts: 6264 Registration date: 2008-01-26 Age: 73 Location: Germany
 | Subject: Re: What is wrong with the American army? Wed Oct 20, 2010 3:31 pm | |
| Times have changed. When I was in the military and my early years in the workforce, I never heard the term sexual harassment. That doesn't mean women weren't harassed, but it was an accepted norm. As for the military, women were initially used in non-combat positions. They fought for equality to serve beside the men and that created more problems, and the problems will not go away so long as there is an attraction between male and female. Unisex is not normal. The olympic games separate Men and Women events. Complete equality between Men and Women does not and cannot work. |
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builder Four Star Member

Number of posts: 255 Registration date: 2009-04-21
 | Subject: Re: What is wrong with the American army? Wed Oct 20, 2010 3:49 pm | |
| Interesting comment Abe, thanks. But you believe complete equality between men and women cannot work? In sport they separate men and women because it is not competitive to put them in the same sport, as physically men are stronger than women. I don't know what to say about this.  I don't know why it won't work. In China, they favour boys to girls. Why? I don't like that sort of backward thinking. Many girls are abandoned, sold or adopted by u.s citizens. But rape is a serious matter. Why don't they just ask instead of rape? Or pay for sex services lol. Maybe rape is more about power. |
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