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PostSubject: Do you support SB 1070?   Mon Jul 26, 2010 5:21 am

I personally don't see what it's really going to do, anyhow. So some people will be stopped and turned over to ICE. ICE isn't doing anything with them now, anyhow, so what's the point?
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PostSubject: Re: Do you support SB 1070?   Mon Jul 26, 2010 3:58 pm

I have talked with many people who support the law without having read it. They get what they know about it from the unholy trinity, Limbaugh, Hannity, and Beck.

It empowers rather than limits racial profiling.

It gives law enforcement officers more power than they ought to have.

The "without a warrant" part is particularly troubling. It is chilling to know that cops will have that kind of power.

The parts about a vehicle that impedes the flow of traffic gives law enforcement more discretionary power than is needed.

The law neglects to define "probable cause."

It lets cops impound your car if they want to for any of many vague reasons.

I see potential violations of constitutional rights resulting from the new directions and authority given policemen.

So, what will it do? It will clog the calendar of the Supreme Court until they overturn it.
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PostSubject: Re: Do you support SB 1070?   Mon Jul 26, 2010 4:39 pm

First Arizona.
Then Utah.

http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0714/utah-immigrant-list-probe/

Sheeesh!
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PostSubject: Re: Do you support SB 1070?   Tue Jul 27, 2010 3:48 pm

Unholy trinity, lol.

I think you're overreacting though. Without a warrant? From what I've read, cops have to have another reason for stopping someone. I suppose they could make up a reason, but with all the scrutiny they'll be under (and the baiters and agitators trying to start something), I don't see that happening.
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PostSubject: Re: Do you support SB 1070?   Wed Jul 28, 2010 3:44 pm

I agree with Al.
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PostSubject: Re: Do you support SB 1070?   Wed Jul 28, 2010 9:26 pm

LC wrote:
Unholy trinity, lol.

I think you're overreacting though. Without a warrant? From what I've read, cops have to have another reason for stopping someone. I suppose they could make up a reason, but with all the scrutiny they'll be under (and the baiters and agitators trying to start something), I don't see that happening.
I don't know what you've read, but try reading the law itself. I didn't find anywhere that said they needed another reason to stop anyone. That part is being challenged now. A federal court overturned it. And Arizona lawmakers intend to take it all the way.
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PostSubject: Re: Do you support SB 1070?   Wed Jul 28, 2010 11:12 pm

I heard on NPR tonight that a stop was put on some of the more heinous pieces of the bill though the rest is going forward.

I repeat from a previous post. Let's have them cut out cloth suns and sew them on the front and back of their clothing to identify them as U.S. legal Mexicans so they aren't profiled. Better yet, let's set up a U.S. legal Mexican ghetto where they all live. Then their papers can be checked as they leave the gates to and from work morning and evening.

Then, with them all together, armed officers on trucks can go into the ghetto neighborhoods and look for illegals, children and family members, and load them up in their trucks and haul them off with their legal family members left bereft and the legal children without their working illegal parents, left to social services for care.

You know, like was done to the Indians - put them on reservations. Or like the camps for U.S. citizens who were also Japanese.

Makes me want to puke.

And I repeat again: If the employers do not hire illegal aliens to clean their houses, care for their children, mow their lawns, build their roads, tar their roofs, pick their strawberries and celery, pluck their chickens, make their deli meats, tan hides, and other labor intensive work, THEY WILL NOT COME HERE. The only reason on God's green earth that anyone comes here is for work and/or escape political tyranny. They can starve in their own countries; they can be brutalized by political systems in their own countries.

Put the teeth in the legislation where it belongs - the people who hire cheap labor and don't check papers, from individuals like you and me who need cheap labor ourselves to the conglomerate farm industry. Replace the Madison Avenue advertising for workers in S. American countries "Come to the U.S. and be rich." with signs, "No jobs in the U.S. Only hate and police tyranny." That'll keep them home. The criminals are the employers; the illegals are the victims of false advertising.
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PostSubject: Re: Do you support SB 1070?   Thu Jul 29, 2010 12:01 am



7/29/2010

DK..

I agree with you 1000%

Cheers..Joe
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PostSubject: Re: Do you support SB 1070?   Thu Jul 29, 2010 1:54 am

DK,

I agree also.
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PostSubject: Re: Do you support SB 1070?   Thu Jul 29, 2010 5:09 am

Carrying an ID would solve many problems.
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PostSubject: Re: Do you support SB 1070?   Thu Jul 29, 2010 9:36 am

Abe F. March wrote:
Carrying an ID would solve many problems.

I don't know, Abe. I've known attorneys, education administrators, and doctors who have been pulled over in cities like Houston simply because they had dark skin, and some misguided cops assumed they must have been dealing drugs to have such fine cars, since "everybody knew" that such people probably weren't professionals. They had driver's licenses. Should they have carried copies of their advanced degrees as well?

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PostSubject: Re: Do you support SB 1070?   Thu Jul 29, 2010 1:56 pm

Everyone has an ID and we all carry it. If you drive a car, you have an ID. If you are legal in this country you have a green card. If you don't drive, you can get a state ID from the license bureau. You have to have an ID to open a bank account and to get money back from the account.

If you don't qualify for an ID, then you buy one. They are of excellent quality. Of course, the only ones that will be checked for authenticity are those with the "wrong" people.

These are all unnecessary side issues born of bias. The real issue is with employers. Period. Employers and the politicians who should be enforcing the existing laws against hiring people not legal to work.
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PostSubject: Re: Do you support SB 1070?   Thu Jul 29, 2010 4:35 pm



WOW, thank you for the enlightenment. I guess until I read this thread, I never realized how prejudiced I was. For years and years, I was under the misguided belief that the Latino gangbangers that fill the streets of New York, Chicago, Los Angeles and nearly every other major city and are spilling over into the suburbs of the United States, were made up of pimps, drug pushers, gunrunners, murderers and other criminal elements, many of whom were in the this country illegally, only to find out they are really strawberry, celery picking maids and laborers supported by the real criminals “Corporate America”.

I say, LETS SHIP ALL THE CORPORATIONS TO MEXICO AND SOUTH AMERICA AND LET MORE GANGBANGERS INTO THE U.S.!


God knows, we don't want to inconvenience anyone by having them have to show an ID along with their driver's license and proof of insurance at a traffic stop.

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PostSubject: Re: Do you support SB 1070?   Thu Jul 29, 2010 6:06 pm

I might suggest that a good ID would be a social security card with photo. Standardization is needed.

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PostSubject: Re: Do you support SB 1070?   Thu Jul 29, 2010 6:32 pm

The legislation is not designed to eliminate criminals; there is sufficient legislation on the books for that purpose. The legislation is a direct result of S. American migrant workers coming into the United States at the invitation of corporate farm conglomerates to do back breaking menial work. Once they were here, they discovered other employers were also happy to hire them for the work no one else would do at the wages offered. Where they made their mistake was by not remaining in substandard, filthy migrant housing and only shopping at overpriced local stores. They became active members of communities and churches; they had family units. They had children. When attention needed to focus away from the exhorbitant cost of two wars and the crash of the economy, these people were visible and they were working.

Everything else is bias and smoke screen. We each have a right to our own prejudices and I pity those who can't rise above them. As my girlfriends says, they are missing out on a lot of valuable cultural experiences that would enrich their lives.

It happens that this is my area of expertise. I serve on a board that advocates for the working poor of this country. I access real facts, not emotional inuendo and political expediency. These hard working people are not my political tool. They are human beings with the same blood in their veins as I carry in mine. When I need life blood, my doctor won't ask what race donated it; he'll only ask for the blood type. For me, blood is the equalizer; it is a fact that our very lives are controlled by the same fluid regardless of our sex or heritage. Only a creation of the mind finds reasons to stereotype and judge any group of people for their differences.
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