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luigie Four Star Member


Number of posts: 248 Registration date: 2008-01-25 Age: 71 Location: Nottingham
 | Subject: How many words per page (average) Tue Jul 20, 2010 8:22 pm | |
| Hi How many words per page is a good average for a novel. My book "King of Princes" has 320 pages and an average of 280 words per page on font size 16, Times New Roman. Therefore most of the pages are over 300 words to a page. Page breaks etc bring down the average. Any suggestions. |
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alice Five Star Member


Number of posts: 12861 Registration date: 2008-10-22 Location: Kirkland, WA
 | Subject: Re: How many words per page (average) Tue Jul 20, 2010 8:29 pm | |
| The font seems rather large to me. Most editors ask for 12, Times New Roman. |
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luigie Four Star Member


Number of posts: 248 Registration date: 2008-01-25 Age: 71 Location: Nottingham
 | Subject: Re: How many words per page (average) Tue Jul 20, 2010 9:42 pm | |
| Hi Alice I've just done a quick conversion to 12, Times New Roman. That brings the average number of words per page to 442. In the words of John McEnroe - You can't be serious. The average age of my readers will probably be about 60, (it's a Tudor book) they'll never be able to read the small print. The reason I chose 16 was the average per page of 280 words. I've just done another conversion to 14, Times New Roman which would make the average word per page 352. |
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Shelagh Admin


Number of posts: 10468 Registration date: 2008-01-11 Location: UK
 | Subject: Re: How many words per page (average) Tue Jul 20, 2010 9:59 pm | |
| LLew,
When you submit your manuscript to an agent or publisher, they will expect it to be in the font size and type Alice recommended. The submitted work should be double spaced.
The average number of words per line in a 6" x 9" trade paperback is approximately 10 and each page has approximately 39 lines = 390 words/page. _________________ Shelagh Watkins http://shelaghwatkins.co.uk/
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luigie Four Star Member


Number of posts: 248 Registration date: 2008-01-25 Age: 71 Location: Nottingham
 | Subject: Re: How many words per page (average) Tue Jul 20, 2010 10:21 pm | |
| Hi Shelagh and Alice Thanks for the info. The Welsh Book Council want it in 12, Times New Roman in 1.5 spacing. 390 words to a page mmm therefore my book will be approx 240 pages. That sounds a bit short for a novel....do it? It should then be 13, Times New Roman  |
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Shelagh Admin


Number of posts: 10468 Registration date: 2008-01-11 Location: UK
 | Subject: Re: How many words per page (average) Tue Jul 20, 2010 10:41 pm | |
| Are you thinking of self-publishing? If it is commercially published, you won't have any say at all in the typeface and layout of the book. _________________ Shelagh Watkins http://shelaghwatkins.co.uk/
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luigie Four Star Member


Number of posts: 248 Registration date: 2008-01-25 Age: 71 Location: Nottingham
 | Subject: Re: How many words per page (average) Wed Jul 21, 2010 7:49 am | |
| | Quote: | | Are you thinking of self-publishing? If it is commercially published, you won't have any say at all in the typeface and layout of the book. |
Not too sure. I haven't really thought about the commercial angle. I was hoping to 'bundle' it up as a 'Tudor novel' with a difference, as I have heard that there is a market for Tudor novels. With a commercial publisher how do you get paid? Is it royalties per book? Or a percentage of profits? If you self publish, I suppose you retain the rights to the book and get all the profits, but then you have to outlay the bucks and take the losses. What would you suggest? |
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Shelagh Admin


Number of posts: 10468 Registration date: 2008-01-11 Location: UK
 | Subject: Re: How many words per page (average) Wed Jul 21, 2010 9:41 am | |
| I'm a bit lost for words, Llew. These questions are usually asked before a manuscript is written. Are you expecting the Welsh Book Council to find a publisher for you? _________________ Shelagh Watkins http://shelaghwatkins.co.uk/
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alj Five Star Member


Number of posts: 7251 Registration date: 2008-12-05 Age: 69 Location: San Antonio
 | Subject: Re: How many words per page (average) Wed Jul 21, 2010 11:24 am | |
| Llew, have they suggested a word count? That might be a more accurate picture of length than the # of pages.
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Domenic Pappalardo Five Star Member

Number of posts: 1475 Registration date: 2009-04-27
 | Subject: Re: How many words per page (average) Wed Jul 21, 2010 12:14 pm | |
| I have always used NTR 12, double space...abut 250 per page. |
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JoElle Five Star Member


Number of posts: 1311 Registration date: 2008-05-09
 | Subject: Re: How many words per page (average) Wed Jul 21, 2010 5:12 pm | |
| | alj wrote: | Llew, have they suggested a word count? That might be a more accurate picture of length than the # of pages.
Ann |
That's true.
When you go to submit your book, publishers have guidelines for format, font, spacing, and word count. Find that out.
They look at the total word count and that the formatting is done correctly. |
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luigie Four Star Member


Number of posts: 248 Registration date: 2008-01-25 Age: 71 Location: Nottingham
 | Subject: Re: How many words per page (average) Wed Jul 21, 2010 7:40 pm | |
| Hi Ann | Quote: | Llew, have they suggested a word count? That might be a more accurate picture of length than the # of pages.
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91616 words  |
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luigie Four Star Member


Number of posts: 248 Registration date: 2008-01-25 Age: 71 Location: Nottingham
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Shelagh Admin


Number of posts: 10468 Registration date: 2008-01-11 Location: UK
 | Subject: Re: How many words per page (average) Wed Jul 21, 2010 9:12 pm | |
| Okay, as a comparison, Forever Friends has 88,392 words. The book is 9" x 6" and has 280 pages -- the book has ten sections, therefore, number of pages with text = 280 - 20 (section headings) = 260. Average words/page = 88,392/260 = 340
That should give you an idea of the size of the book (91616/340 = 269 pages). _________________ Shelagh Watkins http://shelaghwatkins.co.uk/
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