Ann-you need some inner growth. Learn to treat people with respect and act your age! You're a poor example of teaching others. I guess this goes to show us what kind of people are teaching our children in this world today, the kind of people who are uncaring, mocking, and deliberately mean spirited to others.

I don't think you know Ann very well. She is kind, respectful, caring and very intelligent. Perhaps she is some sort of threat to you? Sometimes it is difficult to be interested in books, the world, creativity, writing and a zillion other things. I have never felt inferior to her. He posts are about sharing interesting subjects.

Carol

I think I know her pretty darn well, thanks. She, as well as Alice, Lin, and a few others are the bad seeds of this board. They are the reason why this board will never be anymore than a clique board for failed PublishAmerica writers.

Carol, thank you for your support. I wouldn't worry, though, about the words of this guest. S/he does not define reality for anyone other than hi/rself.

More from Ms. Hanlon:

Quote:

Babies and children hear the song of their soul. They live in the moment and find the world to be a place of wonder and delight. As we grow up, most of us lose this connection. The outer world becomes the greater and, for some people, the only reality. When we close the door on our inner lives and deep connection to soul, our world grows smaller. Our capacity for wonder, joy and compassion diminishes exponentially. Instead of our lives, on a day to day basis, being a creative adventure, we fall victim to our woundings and the song of the soul is drowned out by the neurotic fears, needs and judgments of the ego. You see this in people who are terminally bitter, angry and judgmental. They go through life so barbed, you find yourself avoiding them as if they had the plague. There are others,few indeed, who maneuver life’s ups and down with enviable equanimity. They know what is important to them and they don’t have to prove anything to anyone. They smile frequently. In fact, just being near them makes you feel better.

And This:

Quote:

No one holds the key to your freedom and your awakening; no one but you can hear the song of your soul – not religious leaders, not teachers, not best friends or lovers, not books, not meditation. These can be pointers and light shedders, but the journey is yours. And this is the good news! Because if someone could give you the key to your true freedom, if someone else could define who you truly are, they could take it away. It was Eleanor Roosevelt who said, “No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.” This is a powerfully creative observation, one that most minds find difficult to embrace.

Perhaps our guest can learn something from reading.

Ann

But just how bitter are you?

Quotes from ALJ (who believes everyone else is bitter):

I think there are a few disgruntled wannabees out there who have developed some severe cases of DID. Why don't we just let them play with themselves.
(So this isn't sarcastic)

AW doesn't allow its members to stray from the PAMB, so their banned members have to find something to occupy their time.
(Tsk Tsk, bad mouthing other forums now)

Diversity and discussion is good for any group, especially an online forum. Those who come to disrupt eventually show themselves as they are.

It's difficult. Close-minded people see a different reality, where right and wrong are polar opposites and the "right" must be upheld. Open-minded people are just that - open, so they do not wish to stifle or reject the opinions of others.

The question becomes, where and how do we draw the line? At the moment, we are dealing with a few who have clearly crossed the line. We have to address that, but I agree that it will settle down soon, and we will return to a relatively peaceful place where dissension can be accepted with mutual respect.
(If it's so good for forums to have diversity and differing opinions, why do you and your clique run off the few people who have different opinions because you dislike their view)

I first encountered this individual on AS, during the AW bombardment. At the time, there was an arbitration pending with PA, having to do with the belief that PA owed more money to the person than they were paying. The individual lost the case. Arrival here coincided with that AW invasion here, which was so well handled by our fearless leader. I really believed this person stayed on because of the reception here, and the ideas we all espouse. I was proved wrong, and that hurts. I had to explain to this person where my loyalties lay, and why, but I still did not realize just how deep the resentment lay until now.
(WOW, you have a leader! Too bad you let her decide on who and what you should like or believe.)

Sometimes it seems we are making a little headway with some people, getting to a place of mutual respect, only to have them suddenly do a total 180, for no discernible reason.
(You mean you can't make someone believe what you want them to, why not?)

I like this. As members we can use the chatterbox for both serious and frivolous conversations, and just be ourselves without worrying about any public impact.
(What, like reality)

I stopped posting on the writing forums because they always seemed to lead to unsolvable arguments. Open discussion over differences of opinion, I think, is a good thing. When we are open minded, we can learn a lot from each other, But when someone insists that there way is the only way to do something, and become insulting when a differing opinion is offered, things get polarized and no real communication can take place.
(You mean you couldn't tell them how PA was anything other than a vanity publisher)

Good discussions nearly always go off into new directions; We are not always going to agree, but we can be accepting of each others differences, and realize that it takes a lot of different personalities to make a good group.
(Are you serious right now or just joshing us)

It seems that even broaching the subject brings up animosity. I wish we could find a way to respect differing opinions, perceptions, and perspectives so that we could be a genuine help to each other as writers. But there's no point in empty bickering.
(NO, You don't say)

Just me,

Ann

(Yes, it sure is you Ann)

I rest my case.

Ann

See Lin,

I told you that I allowed them their blog to stop them coming onto the forum to post. I will stop guests from posting and DenimDug can return to the blog.

To repeat myself, I don't think anyone should make a post without identification.

According to definition, a guest is someone who is invited. As long as there is an open invitation to unknowns, there will be people dropping by to cause trouble.

But Denim Dung, In no way do these quotes support your perverse views.

Very few forums allow unregistered posts like that, Shelagh. Or have a record of not banning people.

They want to change that. Might not be a bad idea to do so, though.

When my forum in Mazatlan was attacked (was actually REMOVED twice, followed by incessant post attacks) I retrenched my philosophy several times before finding a balance of free expression and defense.

Another solution, I guess would be for everybody just to ignore these jerk "guests". Just delete the posts and let them sink without a trace.

I am so sorry, Ann. You do not deserve this. I wish my children could have had you for a teacher. I wish you had been on the faculty that I chaired the board for.

You are a wonderful friend.

Dear Ann,
Pay no attention to this idiot. I agree with Lin and with Alice and Abe. What crap!

Let them slither back to the blog that bubbled them up with all the stink that came with the bubbles. What a sump blog.

Love,
Betty

You lost me kid...is your name DenimDug, or Denim Du?