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Jim Woods
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Joined : 07 Jun 2008
Posts : 171
 |  Subject: The Anti-Christ  Tue Jul 22, 2008 9:17 pm | |
| I'm not zealously religious--a little sin is the spice of life--nor am I an Obama supporter. However, I received a forwarded e-missive from my friend who preaches to me a lot. He did not originate the the message but passed it on, probably without studying it. Anyhow, the message infers that Obama is the Anti Christ because, and this according to Revelations, the Anti-Christ is a man in his 40s with a Muslim background and a gift of oratory.
Admittedly, it's been a while since I have studied the text of Revelations, but not recalling the message in the e-mail I went back to the Book and re-read Revelations and I still don't find the description of a 40-something man of Muslim descent being the Anti Christ. So Biblical scholars, tell me where this description of the Anti Christ is and how its rather lame application to Obama comes about. He's not my presidential choice but he deserves a fair shake.
Jim Woods
www.ultrasw.com/jwoods |
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P. Gordon Kennedy
Four Star Member
Age : 20
Joined : 13 Jan 2008
Posts : 520
Location : Crystal Falls, Michigan
| | Subject: Re: The Anti-Christ Tue Jul 22, 2008 10:50 pm | |
| | Personally, I don't think Obama is the Anti-Christ. They say that the book of Revelation says the Anti-Christ will be of a Muslim background, yet the book of Revelation was written in the mid 90's of the first century AD and islam didn't come into existance until the 600's AD. Islam didn't exist when the book of Revelation was written, so it would be impossible for it to claim the Anti-Christ was of Islamic descent. I personally think the Anti-Christ refered to in the book of Revelation was Roman Emperor Nero. The number 666 is the number of the name Nero. Nero killed thousands of Christians and that's how people came to think of him as the Anti-Christ. The historical record supports Nero as the Anti-Christ of Revelation. |
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Sue Sunshine
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Age : 58
Joined : 16 Jan 2008
Posts : 632
Location : Midwest, USA
| | Subject: Re: The Anti-Christ Tue Jul 22, 2008 11:17 pm | |
| Why is it that everyone thinks the Anti-Christ will come out of the U.S.?
There is someone much higher up on the list for that honor. Brew, help me out here. George Norry talks about him all the time and I can't remember his name right now.
I think that whoever becomes the next president will be a walk-in president. To say more than that would take a whole nother thread.
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P. Gordon Kennedy
Four Star Member
Age : 20
Joined : 13 Jan 2008
Posts : 520
Location : Crystal Falls, Michigan
| | Subject: Re: The Anti-Christ Wed Jul 23, 2008 2:07 am | |
| | Why do so many Americans act like they think they're god's chosen people? Personally I think this end times and Anti-Christ stuff is a bunch of crap. |
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Jim Woods
Three Star Member
Joined : 07 Jun 2008
Posts : 171
| | Subject: Re: The Anti-Christ Wed Jul 23, 2008 2:26 am | |
| Part of what bothered me about this Anti-Christ message is that it came to me from a friend who claims himself to be a man of God. He attends chuch regularly. He's so proud that his nephew is ordained. He sends me e-forwards daily with religious themes. I challenged him on this and he responded that "It's just going around, and I knew you would see through it." Well, he didn't see through it, but I did get him, the Bible thumper, to re-read Revelations, and admit that the interpretation had no basis in text or fact.
Jim Woods
www.ultrasw.com/jwoods |
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Phil Whitley
Four Star Member
Age : 65
Joined : 01 Apr 2008
Posts : 339
Location : Riverdale, GA
| | Subject: Re: The Anti-Christ Wed Jul 23, 2008 2:35 am | |
| | Quote: | There is someone much higher up on the list for
that honor. Brew, help me out here. George Norry talks about him all
the time and I can't remember his name right now. |
All I can think of is a guy named Matreus (sp?) (Ma-tra-us) George seems almost afraid of him.
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Sue Sunshine
Four Star Member
Age : 58
Joined : 16 Jan 2008
Posts : 632
Location : Midwest, USA
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P. Gordon Kennedy
Four Star Member
Age : 20
Joined : 13 Jan 2008
Posts : 520
Location : Crystal Falls, Michigan
| | Subject: Re: The Anti-Christ Wed Jul 23, 2008 3:59 am | |
| | I think I know the guy, but I don't know how to spell his name either. I think he's the guy represented by Benjaman Krem. |
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Sue Sunshine
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Age : 58
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Location : Midwest, USA
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Abe F. March
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Age : 69
Joined : 26 Jan 2008
Posts : 1168
Location : Germany
| | Subject: Re: The Anti-Christ Wed Jul 23, 2008 5:08 am | |
| Jim,
The use of "Anti-Christ" is intended to inflame and ultimately destroy. There is a plan to destroy Obama and this is just one of the ploys being used. Many who voted Bush into office are some of the same people who are determined to undermine an Obama presidency. Making false accusations is easy to do, and there are many who will believe these accusations because they want to believe them. How to erase a faslsehood is the problem. I don't think it can be erased. Challenging those who make these claims to prove it is most likely the best weapon.
Those who pass-on this kind of information are unwittingly supporting these falsehoods. With Obama, in my view, it is part bigotry that is behind this smear attempt. And these same people will be in church on sunday, with a cross around their necks, purporting to be christians. If actions such as this are "Christ-like," then I don't want any association with that label.
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Jim Woods
Three Star Member
Joined : 07 Jun 2008
Posts : 171
| | Subject: Re: The Anti-Christ Wed Jul 23, 2008 5:18 am | |
| Thanks to all of you for taking up this discussion. I can't completely disown my friend who got me on to it; he and I have been friends since Third grade, but I had to let him know he was wrong.
Jim Woods
www.ultrasw.com/jwoods |
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lin
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Location : Mexico
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Pam
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Age : 42
Joined : 02 Feb 2008
Posts : 1317
Location : Nova Scotia, Canada
| | Subject: Re: The Anti-Christ Wed Jul 23, 2008 11:55 am | |
| Jim, that's exactly what we hope that our friends will do, is to be honest and challenge us when needed. If more people had friends like you - the stand in your face and hold up to mirror kind - we'd probably have a lot less to complain about over all. 
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Sue Sunshine
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Age : 58
Joined : 16 Jan 2008
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Location : Midwest, USA
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P. Gordon Kennedy
Four Star Member
Age : 20
Joined : 13 Jan 2008
Posts : 520
Location : Crystal Falls, Michigan
| | Subject: Re: The Anti-Christ Thu Jul 24, 2008 12:53 am | |
| | Abe F. March wrote: | Jim,
The use of "Anti-Christ" is intended to inflame and ultimately destroy. There is a plan to destroy Obama and this is just one of the ploys being used. Many who voted Bush into office are some of the same people who are determined to undermine an Obama presidency. Making false accusations is easy to do, and there are many who will believe these accusations because they want to believe them. How to erase a faslsehood is the problem. I don't think it can be erased. Challenging those who make these claims to prove it is most likely the best weapon.
Those who pass-on this kind of information are unwittingly supporting these falsehoods. With Obama, in my view, it is part bigotry that is behind this smear attempt. And these same people will be in church on sunday, with a cross around their necks, purporting to be christians. If actions such as this are "Christ-like," then I don't want any association with that label. |
There have been other outragous claims made about Obama. Some right-wing radicals claim he wants to turn the United States into a communist state, just like the former USSR. Some nut cases even believe Obama wants to sevearly punish or even exterminate white people because of their race. Some people just don't like Obama and seem to want to stir up fear in the American people. One must be careful not to believe everything one hears these days. |
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