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alj Five Star Member


Number of posts: 2981 Registration date: 2008-12-05 Age: 66 Location: San Antonio
 | Subject: Re: Posted on the AW board Tue Jun 23, 2009 12:43 pm | |
| Just wondering, if being published by PA is so useless, how come these people see it as such a threat?
Ann _________________ The old gods are dead or dying and people everywhere are searching, asking: What is the new mythology to be, the mythology of this unified earth as of one harmonious being? Joseph Campbell, Inner Reaches of Outer Space
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Shelagh Admin


Number of posts: 7227 Registration date: 2008-01-11 Location: UK
 | Subject: Re: Posted on the AW board Tue Jun 23, 2009 1:55 pm | |
| "I’ve been accused of being too attached to the traditional model – which is ironic because I hate the traditional system. It has repeatedly disappointed me. But I also think it’s a potentially beautiful thing if done correctly – it’s just become totally corrupted by greed and short-term thinking." This statement is not about PublishAmerica. Traditional means commercial or trade: http://www.selfpublishingreview.com/2009/05/17/the-two-wings-of-self-publishing/Greed is obviously relative: it's okay for commercial publishers but not for PA. Yet, there is nothing stopping anyone setting up their own publishing company and following PA's business model. They would stand a much better chance of making a great deal of money than they will as an average writer. Whether they like to believe it or not, most PA authors are average at best. Even those who are better than average lack the determination/motivation to make it onto the NY Times bestseller list. Those who do are ruthless and would sell their own grandmothers if they had to. Can you imagine Carol or Marie or Helen doing that? Maybe Alice would. |
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Shelagh Admin


Number of posts: 7227 Registration date: 2008-01-11 Location: UK
 | Subject: Re: Posted on the AW board Tue Jun 23, 2009 2:25 pm | |
| Alice is joking Marie! You can't ban yourself. Alice is going to visit her grandchildren. She left us on our toes until she returns when, no doubt, we will all be in need of a new recovery thread. |
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Shelagh Admin


Number of posts: 7227 Registration date: 2008-01-11 Location: UK
 | Subject: Re: Posted on the AW board Tue Jun 23, 2009 3:30 pm | |
| Yes it was.  |
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Dick Stodghill Five Star Member


Number of posts: 3795 Registration date: 2008-05-04 Age: 84 Location: Akron, Ohio
 | Subject: Re: Posted on the AW board Tue Jun 23, 2009 3:51 pm | |
| There has to be a way for me to insult somebody here but I can't figure what it can be. Frustrating. _________________ Member: Mystery Writers of America; Private Eye Writers of America website: www.dickstodghill.com |
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Carol Troestler Five Star Member


Number of posts: 3709 Registration date: 2008-06-08 Age: 72 Location: Wisconsin
 | Subject: Re: Posted on the AW board Tue Jun 23, 2009 6:28 pm | |
| The problem I have with Alice is she says she is not a writer, but she writes some fantastic imaginative stuff on this board. Sometimes it is overwhelming and I have no idea how to add to it.
Good article, Shelagh.
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W. Lane Rogers Four Star Member

Number of posts: 322 Registration date: 2009-03-02 Location: Arizona
 | Subject: Re: Posted on the AW board Tue Jun 23, 2009 7:33 pm | |
| x _________________ Times Past: Reflections from Arizona History
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W. Lane Rogers Four Star Member

Number of posts: 322 Registration date: 2009-03-02 Location: Arizona
 | Subject: Re: Posted on the AW board Tue Jun 23, 2009 9:43 pm | |
| x _________________ Times Past: Reflections from Arizona History
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Shelagh Admin


Number of posts: 7227 Registration date: 2008-01-11 Location: UK
 | Subject: Re: Posted on the AW board Tue Jun 23, 2009 10:05 pm | |
| | W. Lane Rogers wrote: | | It's a new word I bumped into recently. |
I'm amazed it survived. |
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Dick Stodghill Five Star Member


Number of posts: 3795 Registration date: 2008-05-04 Age: 84 Location: Akron, Ohio
 | Subject: Re: Posted on the AW board Tue Jun 23, 2009 10:57 pm | |
| I'd call Lane docile if I wasn't afraid he'd beat around the bush instead of giving me a direct reply. _________________ Member: Mystery Writers of America; Private Eye Writers of America website: www.dickstodghill.com |
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Shelagh Admin


Number of posts: 7227 Registration date: 2008-01-11 Location: UK
 | Subject: Re: Posted on the AW board Tue Jun 23, 2009 11:11 pm | |
| Now, that's funny.  |
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Shelagh Admin


Number of posts: 7227 Registration date: 2008-01-11 Location: UK
 | Subject: Re: Posted on the AW board Wed Jun 24, 2009 12:19 am | |
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alice Five Star Member


Number of posts: 5829 Registration date: 2008-10-22
 | Subject: Re: Posted on the AW board Thu Jun 25, 2009 1:03 pm | |
| | Shelagh wrote: | "I’ve been accused of being too attached to the traditional model – which is ironic because I hate the traditional system. It has repeatedly disappointed me. But I also think it’s a potentially beautiful thing if done correctly – it’s just become totally corrupted by greed and short-term thinking."
This statement is not about PublishAmerica. Traditional means commercial or trade:
http://www.selfpublishingreview.com/2009/05/17/the-two-wings-of-self-publishing/
Greed is obviously relative: it's okay for commercial publishers but not for PA. Yet, there is nothing stopping anyone setting up their own publishing company and following PA's business model. They would stand a much better chance of making a great deal of money than they will as an average writer. Whether they like to believe it or not, most PA authors are average at best. Even those who are better than average lack the determination/motivation to make it onto the NY Times bestseller list. Those who do are ruthless and would sell their own grandmothers if they had to. Can you imagine Carol or Marie or Helen doing that? Maybe Alice would. |
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Carol Troestler Five Star Member


Number of posts: 3709 Registration date: 2008-06-08 Age: 72 Location: Wisconsin
 | Subject: Re: Posted on the AW board Thu Jun 25, 2009 1:27 pm | |
| Believe me, there were a few times I would have sold my grandmother because of the way she treated my mother, which is agreed upon by other family members. My father and mother lived with my mother's parents so we could have a better life, but many times I day-dreamed of a small apartment in the city with just my mother, father, and brother.
But selling her to be published? Not a good reason. I did love her once I understood her.
And my other grandmother's mother had committed suicide, leaving a very angry daughter for the rest of her life. I wouldn't have sold her to be published either, since she needed all he love she could get.
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alice Five Star Member


Number of posts: 5829 Registration date: 2008-10-22
 | Subject: Re: Posted on the AW board Sun Jun 28, 2009 1:21 am | |
| Shelagh, Why am I so ruthless, I'd sell my own grandmother? I loved my grandmother.  |
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