I'm sick of it

Subject: I'm sick of it Fri Jul 18, 2008 10:30 pm

I would like to see all politicians who use the word flipflop drawn and quartered. It implies - no, it outright contends - that changing your mind to adapt to changing conditions is a bad thing. It sounds like something a not-too-bright 10-year-old might say.
Hasn't eight years of having a man who seems incapable of adapting to change piloting the ship of state been enough?
Anyone with the ability to tie their own shoes can say, "This is the way I feel and nothing can change my mind." That doesn't make him a wise man.
When you announce that the dam won't break, but then find yourself neck deep in water, isn't changing your mind and seeking higher ground a good idea?
If you plan a picnic and then find it has been raining since daybreak wouldn't cancelling be a wise move? No, scream the politicians, you're a flipflopper if you do.
It's ridiculous to hear one of them announce that an opponent said something or voted for something in 2002 and now has changed his mind - flipflopped. If conditions have changed since 2002, doesn't an intelligent man adjust his thinking to accommodate those changes?
The captain of the Titanic could never be accused of flipflopping. He wanted to break the speed record for crossing the Atlantic so the hell with reports of icebergs ahead.
I don't want some stubborn fool incapable of changing his mind at the helm. Most sensible people feel the same way. We don't yearn for another voyage on the Titanic, we've already had eight years of it, so let's once and for all sink any politician who uses the word flipflop.
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Subject: Re: I'm sick of it Sat Jul 19, 2008 12:14 am

And here I thought it was what Jimmy Buffet wears to the beach.
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Subject: Re: I'm sick of it Sat Jul 19, 2008 5:10 am

Thanks Dick, well said.
I'm still waiting for Georgie-Boy to do a flip-flop and confess to making a mistake. He obviously doesn't believe in those three words, "I was wrong - I make a mistake, I am sorry." His vocabulary may be too limited.
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Subject: Re: I'm sick of it Sat Jul 19, 2008 12:20 pm

After the fiasco of the Bay of Pigs in 1961 in a try to take over from Castro, Kennedy apologized and took the responsibility for the whole thing. His ratings with the public went over 80%.

After missiles were discovered in Cuba in 1962, Kennedy and his experts met and decided on an attack on the missiles following by an almost certain invasion. If they had done that, the working missiles would have been headed for Miami and other US cities.

After hours and hours of discussion, debate, argument, and major, major flipfloping, they decided on a ship embargo, and even to all their surprise the world was saved.

Carol

Subject: Re: I'm sick of it Sat Jul 19, 2008 4:16 pm

The flip-flop is only part of the current political poll-driven political fiasco. We have campaigns being waged on speech glitches and spouse behavior, rather than issues. It makes people gunshy.

A major antidote would be for candidates not to duck into camouflage over questions. Think how it would play out if Clinton had said:
"My sex life is none of your business. Next question."

What if Obama had replied to McCain's comments on his not having been to the mid east by saying,
"Those little junkets don't really teach much about political realities. And besides, it doesn't matter. As soon as I'm president we're out of there, so there is not point in visiting." ?

If ANYBODY would put spine over spin they'd reap some benefits from it. Just nobody is doing it.
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Subject: Re: I'm sick of it Sat Jul 19, 2008 10:14 pm

I agree.
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Subject: Re: I'm sick of it Sun Jul 20, 2008 6:04 pm

The one thing politics reminds me of is a swarm of biting insects. Most politicians seem to be out for their own self-interest first and foremost. They seem to be more concerned with their campaigns than actually making a differnce for our country. They bend over backwards for the special interests to insure the campaign money keeps flowing rather than supporting the interests of the people. Unfortunately, I think there is too much corruption in the political system.

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There was an old axiom, that many here are too young to relate to because trains that once were the way for politicos to spread their message to the people have given way to electronics, that said in effect, "Political platforms are like train platforms--used only to get in on, not to ride on."

Subject: Re: I'm sick of it Mon Jul 21, 2008 7:19 am

A hearty "AMEN!" to all of the above.
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Subject: Re: I'm sick of it Sat Aug 02, 2008 5:05 pm

Anyone that believes political promises, regardless of the person or the party...must also believe in Santa Claus!
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Subject: Re: I'm sick of it Sat Aug 02, 2008 7:37 pm

Don,
Does this mean I must tear up my Christmas letter to Dear Santa? Are you saying that Santa Claus lies? Does he wear that beard to hide his true identity?

You're right. Fantasy land is the political platform of both parties. A wish list that will win votes.
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The political leaders whom we support make intelligent decisions as they redirect their opinions based on new and current information, while those we oppose simply flip-flop.

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Subject: Re: I'm sick of it Sat Aug 02, 2008 10:13 pm

Hold on a second! I DO believe in Santa Claus, but I don't believe in political promises; I know where to draw the line.
santa

Thank goodness for this thread. I've been waiting for months to use that smilie.
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Subject: Re: I'm sick of it Sun Aug 03, 2008 3:52 am

Exactly, JIm

My guy is tough on social disorder, your guy's a fascist
My guy is compassionate, yours is a commie
My guy is flexible, yours is spineless
Mine is a courageous dark horse, yours is a loser
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Subject: Re: I'm sick of it Sun Aug 03, 2008 5:12 am

Having seen that face from Pam, I'm going back to Santa Claus.

Is it possible to be completely impartial when voting? Do our past affiliations, Democratic or Republican (and I have been both) influence our thinking?
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